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I found this in a website denying the crucifixion and claiming we take John 3:16 out of context. Can you respond to this? (I apologize because it is too long) :

Be it in a tomb or elsewhere, archaeologist cannot find Jesus’ body. For, as Christians say Jesus went bodily to heaven and “sat on the right hand of God”–(Mark 16:19).

Allāh revealed in His Qur’an 3:54-55: “And (the Jews) planned and Allāh (also) planned. And Allāh is the best of planners. When Allah said: O Jesus, I will cause thee to die and exalt thee in My presence and clear thee of those who disbelieve and make those who follow thee above those who disbelieve to the day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, so I shall decide between you concerning that wherein you differ.” (Jews planned to kill Jesus and Allāh countered their plan and save Jesus).

Allāh revealed: “And for their saying: We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh and they killed him not, nor did they cause his death on the cross, but he was made to appear to them as such. And certainly those who differ therein are in doubt about it. They have no know-ledge about it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for certain: Nay, Allāh exalted him in His presence. And Allāh is ever Mighty, Wise”–(Qur’an 4:157-158). Jews say they killed Jesus, Christians say Jesus was crucified. Allāh negates both views as conjectures.
Allāh exalting (or raising) Jesus to Himself does not mean Allāh literally raised Jesus up to Himself; only that Allāh took Jesus’ soul to make him appear to be dead –Allāh takes our souls at sleep and at death–(Qur’an 39:42). This is substantiated in Qur’an 3:54-55 noted above where Allāh tells Jesus, “Then to Me is your return.’ It would have been pointless for Allāh to tell Jesus “Then to Me is your return,” if Allāh had already literally raised Jesus to Himself –Jesus would already be returned to Him.

Christians say whereas historians say Jesus was killed on the cross, the Qur’an is the only source that denies that Jesus was killed –meaning that Allah is wrong. One cannot deny something that didn’t happen –Allāh did not deny the crucifixion, Allāh enlightened us about it. Jesus only appeared to be dead.
The question is, were these historians present when Jesus was taken from the “cross”? and did they carry out any medical examination to determine that Christ was dead or alive?

Jesus was born between 4-6 BC and “died” between 30-36 AD.
-Greek historian Josephus Flavius, was born in 37 AD –a year AFTER Christ’s alleged crucifixion. Thus, his evidence is hearsay.
-Roman (and Pagan) historian Tacitus, a Roman senator, was born in 56 AD –twenty years AFTER Christ’s alleged crucifixion. Thus, his evidence is hearsay.
-Jewish historian Josephus Flavius (original name, Joseph Ben Matthias) was born in AD 37/38) –one to two years AFTER Christ’s alleged crucifixion. Thus, his evidence is hearsay.
If a Christian should take such sources to court as proof of Jesus’ crucifixion, Judge Jacob would not blink twice to toss him and his hearsay brief out of her court. And head first.
(Paul was not present at the alleged crucifixion. His claim that Jesus was “crucified/resurrected” is his own fabrication: “Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead ACCORDING TO MY GOSPEL”–(2 Timothy 2:8; Galatians 1:6. Paul forged his own gospel). Revealingly, whereas Paul here made Jesus “dead,” he contradicts himself in Hebrews 5:7 where he states about Jesus praying in the Garden of Gethsemane to be spared from death: “Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and WAS HEARD in that he feared.” (God answered Jesus’ prayers and saved him from death).

The only person with Jesus when he was taken from the “cross” was Joseph of Arimathea; he took Jesus for burial; afterwards women followed him–(Matthew 27:57-61; Mark 15:43-47; Luke 23:50-55; John 19:38). They must have observed Jesus was alive. For, almost three days later –from Friday afternoon to Monday morning– women took sweet spices to anoint Jesus–(Mark 16:1. Who anoints the dead? And a three-day old dead at that).

That Jesus did not die on the cross is evidenced by Jesus himself:
-Jesus said his sign would be like Jonas. Jonas was alive in the whale’s belly for “three days and three nights”–(Matthew 12:39-40; Jonah 1:17; 2:1-10). If Jesus came to die for sins there was no need for his sign to be like Jonas. If Jesus died his sign would not be like Jonas.
Jewish Sabbath is from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. Thus, even with the time factor, Jesus was not in the tomb for three days and three nights –from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning, when Jesus was found alive, is about thirty-nine hours, a bit over half the 72 hours of three days and three nights– which would put Jesus in the tomb for two nights –Friday and Saturday– and one-and-a-half day –part of Friday and all day Saturday–(Matthew 27:46; 28:1; Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54; John 19:31, 42).

-Jesus prayed to be spared from death–(Matthew 26:36-44. It is mind-boggling; Jesus was sent or came to die willingly for the sins of the world and for him to pray to be saved from this grand glory. God praying to Himself? Only in Christianity).
-prayers of the righteous are always answered–(Psalm 22:24; 34:15-19; John 9:31; Matthew 7:8-9);
-God always answered Jesus’ prayers–(John 11:41-42).
-After the alleged crucifixion and resurrection Jesus had his disciples examine him to verify he was not spirit, as the resurrected is, but was of flesh and bones: a mortal–(Luke 24:38-39). The resurrected “are (spiritualized) as the angels”–(Matthew 22:23-30. Luke 20:34-36). Jesus had flesh and bones –he was human/alive.

As Jesus was praying to be spared from death, an angel of the Lord appeared and strengthened him–(Luke 22:43; assuring him that God would save him. Angel strengthened God? Only in Christianity). But Jesus thought God had reneged in his assurance; this is why he lamented, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”–(Matthew 27:46. God praying to and forsaking Himself? Only in Christianity).
But God did not forsake Jesus, God rendered Jesus unconscious/ comatose (as noted, Allāh removes the souls of men at sleep and at death–Qur’an 39:42) which made Jesus appear to be dead. This is how Allāh saved Jesus. In those days no one checked for pulse, if you’re limp you’re dead. Even Pilate was surprised that Jesus was already dead–(Mark 15:44). By making Jesus appear dead, Allāh prevented Jesus’ legs from being broken–(John 19:33), which was a common practice to hasten the death of the crucified.
Whereas Christians use hearsay evidence that Jesus was killed, Jesus testified he was not killed and Allāh confirms Jesus’ testimony and informed us how He saved Jesus. So, who will you believe, the Church and her ectopic historians, or Jesus and Allāh?

Regarding the alleged crucifixion of Jesus there is also scientific proof that Jesus did not die on the cross.
Scientific investigation on the Shroud of Turin (the sheet in which Jesus is said to have been placed after he was taken from the “cross”) shows that Jesus did not die on the cross.
M.A. Faruqui notes in his book The Crumbling of the Cross that Kurt Berna of Stuttgart, Germany, after carrying out scientific tests on photographs of the Shroud of Turin (in which Christ is said to have been placed after taken from the “cross”) concluded, that the body “was not a dead body.” Faced with this irrefutable evidence, the reigning pope of the Vatican, Pope John XXIII made a proclamation on 30 June 1960, “informed and directed all the Catholic Bishops to believe and to propagate that the complete salvation of the human race lies through the blood of Jesus Christ, and that the death of Jesus Christ is not essential for this purpose.” (The Crumbling of the Cross, pp. 98-109). (Note well: That “salvation of the human race lies through the blood of Jesus Christ” is NOT the teaching of God or Jesus).
The question is: How can salvation be through the “blood” of Jesus Christ when there is/was no “blood” of Jesus Christ? Is this the work of Divine messengers or Devil disciples? (The Crumbling of the Cross can be obtained from http://www.muslim.org, The Crumbling of the Cross).

It is worthwhile to note that after the non-existent crucifixion, Jesus’ instructions to his followers to baptize all people of the world in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit/Ghost; are “forgeries” in the Bible: Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din reveals in his book Open Letters to the Bishops of Salisbury and London (p. pp. 31-32):
“The concluding eleven verses of St. Mark-(16:9-20) and the well-known verse of St. Matthew-(28:19), speaking of the Son and the Father and the Holy Ghost, are forgeries, an admitted addition to the ancient MSS (manuscripts). The fact was discovered by the first translator of the Bible into English and they made a marginal note in their version of the Bible which continued for some time. But we do not find the said note in any of the copies now published by the said society (Foreign Mission Society). Is it fair and honest to keep others in darkness as to the true value of the contents of the Bible?”
Is it not telling a lie against Jesus that he uttered the forged words? Is it not telling a lie against God that He revealed/inspired the forged words? Would a devotee of God forge words in the Book of God –the very God to whom he seeks his daily bread and from Whom he desires a mansion in heaven?
Interestingly among the forged words is Jesus saying: “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved…and IF THEY DRINK ANY deadly thing, IT SHALL NOT HURT THEM”–(Mark 16:16-18). As Christians say Jesus is God/Son of God and the Bible is “all” Word of God, Would Christians drink “any deadly thing” to prove this statement of Jesus. Surely, to demonstrate their “Word of God” and trust in God/Son of God is the highest of belief.

Jesus knew Jews wanted to kill him: “Why go ye about to kill me” –(John 7:19. It is strange Jesus should ask this if he had come to die to fulfill prophecy; and to give his life willingly). But why did Jews want to kill Jesus? Two reasons:
(1) Jewish clergy believed Jesus’ preaching was dividing the nation which would make the nation vulnerable to Roman domination–(John 11:43-48). Killing Jesus would remove this threat, and as Jesus would be no more, his followers will also diminish/die off: “And Caiaphas, being the high priest…said unto them…it is expedient for us. that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad. Then they took counsel together for to put him to death. Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews but went…into Ephraim”–(John 11: 49-54).
Notably, that Caiaphas did not speak of “himself” but “prophesied” that Jesus should die, does not mean that Caiaphas was repeating any prophecy that Jesus came to be crucified; all it means is that Caiaphas was speaking not as an ordinary priest but as “high priest” and he has given the judgment/decision that Jesus will be killed to save the nation from Roman domination. The following words “Then they took counsel together for to put him (Jesus) to death” confirm this. If Caiaphas knew Jesus would be killed to fulfill prophecy it would have been pointless for Caiaphas to plot Jesus’ death.
Moreover, Caiaphas could not have known the manner, time and place of Jesus’ death and would have been trying to circumvent or competing with Divine decree, which would amount to an absurdity. Also, the speaking about gathering “the children of God that were scattered abroad;” “abroad” could not mean the rest of the world. Jesus could have hardly have followers outside of his area.

(2) The other reason Jews wanted to kill Jesus was because of his condemnation of Jewish hierarchy. Christian authority is cognizant of this fact. The Self-Pronouncing Edition of the King James Bible, by The World Publishing Company, 2231 West 110TH Street, Cleveland 2, Ohio, (p. 77) notes in its section ‘Bible Dictionary’ under the term ‘scribe,’
“Their familiarity with the law allowed the scribes to take on a role of growing importance in Jewish society –teaching in the synagogues, serving as judges, and becoming members of the Sanhedrin. Jesus refused to accept the mass of detail and the superficial technicalities which they affixed to the law, and He accused them of hypocritical interpretations of the law. For these reasons they opposed His teachings and were one of the groups, as were the Pharisees, that helped to plot His death–(Matt. 5:20; 21:15; Mark 10:33; 14:53; Luke 11:44; 20: 46; John 8:3; Acts 4:5; 6:12).”
Had Jesus not condemn Jewish hierarchy and had they not fear Roman domination of their nation because of Jesus’ influence on the people, there would have been no talk about Jesus being killed.

Another observation. Jesus saying in John 3:16 : “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
This verse is not about crucifixion as is erroneously believed and propagated. When taken in its context, from verse one, it shows Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus about to miracles and alluding himself to the brass serpent in Moses’ time which serpent had the power to preserve life–(Numbers 21:9). Giving the proper meaning of John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son the power to perform miracles that whosoever believeth in him to be from God through these works of miracles should not perish, but have everlasting life.” Miracles were necessary because the people believed only in miracles: “Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe”–(John 4:48).
It is a gruesome sense of love to have a man, moreover an innocent man, brutalized, fixed to a cross/pole and murdered for the sin of another man. Not even honest human leaders do this. Jesus was not sent to die for fulfilling scripture. As there was no crucifixion, ipso facto there is no resurrection and no ascension.
As shown, even if Jesus was killed it would have been for political or theological reason –political because of Caiaphas fear of Roman domination; theological because of Jesus’ opposition to the scribes and Pharisees.

Given that Jesus taught Unity of God as opposed to Trinity (which was invented by the Church 300 years after Christ, and which makes Adam cleaner than God–Job 25:4) and taught sinless birth and that eternal life lies in observing the Ten Commandments –until the arrival of the Comforter who will then guide into “all truth” and will “abide for ever”– as opposed to original/inherited sin and vicarious atonement (which were devised by St. Paul).
And given that Christians follow Trinity, original/inherited sin and vicarious atonement which are doctrines of the Church and not of Christ, there is no follower of Christ in the world: Christians are followers of the Church. Thus, factually, Christians are Churchians and their religion is Churchianity. Christianity does not exist.
Whereas Jesus clearly states that eternal life lies in following the Mosaic law until the arrival of the Comforter–(Matthew 19:16-19; John 14:15-16, 12-13), Christians thumb their noses at their God/Son God and follow after-the-event historians and wallow in Jesus’ non-existent/mythical blood as the way to heaven.
The claim that Christianity is “world-view”/“world vision” is, at best, laughable. This “world-view”/“world vision” is in dire need of an optometrist.

So what became of Jesus Christ? Jesus declared his mission was to the “lost sheep of the house of Israel” “to seek and save” them–(Matthew 15:24; Luke 19:10. But there were only two of the Twelve Tribes of Israel in Palestine. Research shows the other ten Tribes were in the Kashmir/Afghan region. Jesus’ eighteen missing years from the Gospels (from 12-30) were spent ministering to these Tribes. Jesus told God: “I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do–(John 17:4. As Jesus finished his work of finding and preaching to the “house of Israel” there is no return for Jesus.
The Church’s Jesus “second coming”/Jesus-1000-year rule is based on the Church assigning David’s “titles and functions” to Jesus –whereas David was earthly king the Church made Jesus heavenly king– and on ancient “Iranian mythology.”

Upon his return from the “lost Tribes”, Jesus became embroiled with the Jewish hierarchy who sought to kill him. But Allāh saved Jesus. Post “cross”, whereas Matthew left Jesus in “a mountain” preaching to his disciples–(Matthew 28:16:20); Mark postulates that Jesus went and “sit on the right hand of God”–Mark 16:19); Luke says Jesus was “carried up into heaven” (Luke 24:51); John ended with Jesus at the “sea of Tiberias” catching, and eating fish and bread and leaving his followers in confusion as to his saying–(John chapter 21. A resurrected/spiritualized Jesus catching and eating fish and bread? Only in Christianity)..
But Allāh tells us He gave Jesus and his mother comfort: “And We made the son of Mary and his mother a sign, and We gave them refuge on a lofty ground having meadows and springs”–(Qur’an 23:50). This luscious place of refuge is shown to be none other but Kashmir. Jesus and his mother clearly must have gone to Kashmir post “cross.” Where they lived out their remaining years.

Allāh tells us “And he (Jesus) will speak to the people when in the cradle and when of old age”–(Qur’an 3:45. “Cradle” is euphemism for “young”; Jesus speaking as a youth is evident from his mixing with the elders of Israel–(Luke 2:42-47). Speaking to people and being “killed” at age thirty-three can hardly qualify as “old age”
That “old age” refers to Jesus’ supposed return; two thousand years and counting is one heck of an “old age.” Plus, there is the matter of Jesus and his mother being given refuge in this land of meadows and springs –Jesus could not have gone to heaven and be with his mother in this land of meadows and springs.
Muhammad Ali notes (comm. Qur’an 23:50) “According to a saying of the Holy Prophet, Jesus lived 120 years (Ibn Kathir, vol. ii, p. 246. MA’s translation of the Qur’an can be viewed/down


This is very standard stuff coming from Muslims.  Muslims are in a very tough spot for this reason:  The Qur’an says that the Gospel is inspired (It is called the Injil in the Qur’an).  That is a very big problem for Islam, because, as is quoted in the article you copied, the Qur’an says that Jesus was not killed on a cross.  So, which is right, the inspired New Testament or the inspired Qur’an?  This is a blatant contradiction in the Qur’an (that both are inspired, yet they clearly contradict).  The only way around this for Muslims is to claim that the Bible is corrupted.  The problem is that there is literally no evidence for corruption on the level needed.  None!  This is so illogical it comes close to being a joke!
Here is the claim:  The Bible did not originally say that Jesus was killed on a cross.  On the face of it, this is absurd.  The idea that the Christian church ever did not preach the death of Jesus on the cross and that they did not teach the resurrection is patently absurd.  No serious historian can support this idea.  We can say what we want about the early church, but one thing we cannot say is that they did not believe Jesus was killed by crucifixion or that they did not believe he was resurrected from the dead.
So, here is the question.  It is a simple question.  Who is more likely to be right about what happened to Jesus:  The people who knew him well and who were there in Jerusalem when he was crucified, or Muhammad, an Arab, living in Mecca, eight hundred miles away and nearly six hundred years after the events?  Can any sensible person believe that Muhammad got it right and the New Testament writers (as well as the entire church) got it wrong?  This is nonsense.  Therefore, everything said above is just that.  Nonsense.  The Qur’an is NOT inspired by God.  These are the plain conclusions from the historical facts.
The Qur’an says that he only appeared to be dead.  Who is to be believed: the Romans soldiers or Muhammad?  This is not a hard question!  The writer says above: “It would have been pointless for Allah to tell Jesus, ‘Then to me is your return’ if Allah had already literally raised Jesus to himself.”  I agree with this statement.  It would have been pointless.  In fact, it is pointless.  True.  I agree with the logic here, but there is no evidence that the Qur’an is true on this one.  In fact, the evidence is solid that the Qur’an is simply wrong.
This person says that Josephus is hearsay.  What is the reasoning?  What is the logic?  What is the evidence?  Why would Josephus lie about this?  This amounts to a statement without evidence.  They say that because he was born a few years after the crucifixion his statement is hearsay.  I say that Harry Truman was president.  But I was born a couple of years after Harry Truman was president.  Therefore what I am saying is hearsay.  What kind of logic is this?  Does this mean that no historian can make statements about anything that happened before they were born.  Really?  Are we supposed to believe this argument?  I am sure this works with Muslims, but surely it does not work to anyone who is clear-headed.
He says that Paul fabricated the crucifixion.  This is just about the most crazy statement I have ever heard  (OK, I am exaggerating, just a bit).  Paul know many dozens of people who were actually in Jerusalem when Jesus was crucified.  Why would anyone make such a blatantly false statement?  If he were to fabricate the crucifixion, what about the fact that there were thousands of eye-witnesses who were in Jerusalem when Jesus was crucified?  Are all of them fabricating the story too?  Why would Paul fabricate a story that he lived and died for?  Utter nonsense!
About Jonah, I believe that Jonah died in the big fish.  So much for that argument.  Like Jesus, Jonah was raise on the third day and subsequently vomited from the fish.
I do not have the time to respond to all the nonsense that comes in the article above.  If you want to pick just one or two more points in the article that I have not dealt with, let me know, but I simply do not have time right now to respond to the dozens of other nonsense statements and obvious misinterpretations of the Bible.  You should totally discount this argument against Christianity, but feel free to ask me a couple more specific questions if there are some points in the rest of the article you need help with.
John Oakes

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